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Post by 2xs on Feb 2, 2010 10:31:04 GMT -4
this weekend i was breaking trail when we missed the turn for swb. running at about 7.5 lbs just because it was only the 2nd time out, and the grand is heavy. I was having a hard time climbing the hill where no one had broke trail before so we stopped, and took it down to 5.5 front, and 5 in the rear, and i went from spinning bad, with alot of backups, to driving and not spinning a wheel at all. ;D
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Post by OUTLAW MF on Feb 2, 2010 13:28:43 GMT -4
this weekend i was breaking trail when we missed the turn for swb. running at about 7.5 lbs just because it was only the 2nd time out, and the grand is heavy. I was having a hard time climbing the hill where no one had broke trail before so we stopped, and took it down to 5.5 front, and 5 in the rear, and i went from spinning bad, with alot of backups, to driving and not spinning a wheel at all. ;D 7.5 is a fair pressure for a Grand...no offense to anyone who wheeled with us this weekend but some guys airing down to 3 psi when you have a large group like we had was kind of ridiculous(please don't take offense). I can see it if you are going out with a few friends to do some hardcore snow wheeling or if you have beadlocks to air it down that much but those trails were no where near hardcore and every time a bead gets popped it winds up holding up close to 40 people(20 Jeeps 2 persons per Jeep) to wait for the tire to get re-seated. Just for example, Cindy ran 10 psi, barely spun a tire all day, she didn't get stuck at all and only used the winch to get up carnage hill knowing that she broke her hardtop there the week before, sure she would have crawled right up it had she had 3 psi in her tires but that is not worth #1 the effort, #2 the chance of damaging a rim, #3 the chance that she may hold everyone up if she pops a bead... I have no idea what Kim?? in the new JK was running but I heard she dented a rim, with stock aluminum rims and street tires she shouldn't be airing down much more than 15, I would say 12 at the very least. Like I said "I really don't want to offend anyone", but there were almost more popped beads on the trail this weekend than I have had on all my trail rides in all the years I've been wheeling, I will give the guys credit as they were very well prepared to get the tire back on, but all in all, was it really necessary to go that low?? Cheers! Jeff |
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Post by 2xs on Feb 2, 2010 13:53:36 GMT -4
well it is all about knowing your limits, and driving accordingly, but i will say, that if was also pretty obvious when we were following, that there were guys that did not air down enough. did they make it through? well yes they did, but the trail was also all torn up by the time i got to it. Less air will also have less of an impact on the trails. In the end i guess most of us up here wheel really deep snow, where it is required, and the noobs, just follow suit because that is what they have been taught. We currently have a foot and a half of fresh snow, and it is really cold so it is setting up. even my jeep at 7-8 lbs will never touch it. Next time out i will be starting at 5 and probably dropping again, but having said that, it takes a completely different mentality to drive at those pressures. you always have to be concious of how you are putting pressure on the tires so that you dont help pop beads. not really looking for an argument, just thats the way we wheel. the only way to understand will be to come up, and well let you lead, but at 10 lbs your gonna watch jake drive around you on his tiny tires  oh, and no offence will be taken, everyone has their own opinions |
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Post by luvmyjeep on Feb 2, 2010 16:16:09 GMT -4
well it is all about knowing your limits, and driving accordingly, but i will say, that if was also pretty obvious when we were following, that there were guys that did not air down enough. did they make it through? well yes they did, but the trail was also all torn up by the time i got to it. Less air will also have less of an impact on the trails. In the end i guess most of us up here wheel really deep snow, where it is required, and the noobs, just follow suit because that is what they have been taught. We currently have a foot and a half of fresh snow, and it is really cold so it is setting up. even my jeep at 7-8 lbs will never touch it. Next time out i will be starting at 5 and probably dropping again, but having said that, it takes a completely different mentality to drive at those pressures. you always have to be concious of how you are putting pressure on the tires so that you dont help pop beads. not really looking for an argument, just thats the way we wheel. the only way to understand will be to come up, and well let you lead, but at 10 lbs your gonna watch jake drive around you on his tiny tires oh, and no offence will be taken, everyone has their own opinions My thoughts on this are that I think it makes sense to start at a pressure of like 10lbs (especially since the snow wasn't that deep). If people are struggling on 10lbs, then drop it a bit more. Traction differs between temperatures, snow consistency, etc. I think testing it first makes sense. In the case Sunday, I think it was more important for the trail-breaker to have a low pressure than the ones following. I'm not disputing the benefits of airing down. I know the traction benefits. But in our small group, none of us have onboard air (yet), and I think by airing down really low without beadlocks the risks heavily outweigh the benefits. Popped beads in frigid weather with no air would SUCK!!!! With regard to the trail getting torn up when you came back out, I think it was getting torn up on the way in - I was way in the back, and after 22 rigs rolled over muddy areas whether they spun tires or not it was going to get chewed up a bit. But I still agree with you that airing down puts less of an impact on the trails. The only place I found a bit of a struggle was carnage corner. I had to back up and have a second go at it to bump myself up over the ledge. Other than that I don't think I had any traction issues all day. But, like I said, the snow wasn't that deep, and it had been packed down by 20 rigs in front of me. "...but having said that, it takes a completely different mentality to drive at those pressures. you always have to be concious of how you are putting pressure on the tires so that you dont help pop beads." This is an excellent point. It probably takes years of experience to learn this. A few of the people with us were fairly new Jeepers with stock Jeeps and I'd hate for them to air down too low, pop beads, bend rims, etc. and go home with a bad experience. We want them to leave with a good experience and come back out and do it again. So that's my two cents! ;D Cindy |
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Post by 90bronco on Feb 2, 2010 17:19:37 GMT -4
How were they putting beads back on ?? oba or flames ?
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Post by luvmyjeep on Feb 2, 2010 17:22:30 GMT -4
How were they putting beads back on ?? oba or flames ? OBA |
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Post by thebeast on Feb 2, 2010 20:39:10 GMT -4
drove with 10 psi no probrem and never did hopefully never will.  |
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Post by OUTLAW MF on Feb 2, 2010 21:15:23 GMT -4
Something tells me you are not an advocate of Tread Lightly Tim  lol You do have some valid points though. and well said Cindy Jeff |
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Post by 2xs on Feb 2, 2010 21:27:59 GMT -4
im definately not a posterchild for it, but it would have had alot less impact on the trail this time of year. Either way, come on up for some big snow wheelin, i have some spots i would love to see big jeeps go, now that i no longer have one..... ps i may be ordering irocs tomorrow ;D
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Post by mlc on Feb 2, 2010 21:58:06 GMT -4
ps i may be ordering irocs tomorrow ;D  |
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Post by OUTLAW MF on Feb 2, 2010 22:06:25 GMT -4
Hahaha...That didn't take ya long to get back into 36's lol...I wanted IRok's but I needed to go street sensible with KM2's so I can drive to the Valley to wheel the rocks since I can't afford a tow rig On the ZJ?? Jeff |
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Post by 2xs on Feb 2, 2010 22:49:30 GMT -4
no, they make a 33 now, checking availability tomorrow, and hoping to be on new sneaks by the weekend
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Post by kev69 on Feb 17, 2010 0:17:14 GMT -4
Yup, I'm all about airing down and it only took me 2 times to figure that one out with my stock YJ.. 33's IROC's.. was wondering where your getting those from? That would be awsome. Watching wayne wheel with his.. very impressive tire.. but i could certainly go the way that jeff is going also..
cheers.
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Post by OUTLAW MF on Feb 17, 2010 0:32:07 GMT -4
Yup, I'm all about airing down and it only took me 2 times to figure that one out with my stock YJ.. 33's IROC's.. was wondering where your getting those from? That would be awsome. Watching wayne wheel with his.. very impressive tire.. but i could certainly go the way that jeff is going also.. cheers. RTFO, are ya shopping soon Kev?? Jeff |
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lol